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Post by nick robinson on Dec 20, 2010 22:13:54 GMT
first query.
The manual says
Press Overdub. The Overdub light turns red.
2. Play. Each time the loop restarts, you’ll hear whatever you played during the last pass added to the mix.
when I press recod to set a loop, it's in overdub mode already (with green light) - I press the overdub light to red to *stop* overdubbing!
Might this be because there's no footswitches plugged in?
I've got the loop4 chip
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Post by andybutler on Dec 21, 2010 15:53:58 GMT
do a factory reset first,
otherwise anything can happen.
here's how:-
Hold down the PARAMETERS button while powering the unit on.
If it doesn't then behave as you expect ask again.
(use LD if you need *urgent* help)
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Post by nick robinson on Dec 22, 2010 12:44:09 GMT
do a factory reset first, otherwise anything can happen. (use LD if you need *urgent* help) Solved that little issue, thanks! None of this will be urgent - I'm going to take my time to get to know it. At the moment, it's behaving like my old jamman - I need to get into the next loop & all the loop IV goodies - already reversing and half-speeding merrily - next step to get the fcb1010 involved in the relationship  I don't suppose you know of any demo videos of the EDP, ie showing the potential rather than "making music"? |
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Post by nick robinson on Dec 22, 2010 15:15:59 GMT
OK, it's now listening to the fcb1010 and doing what I expect with one small issue. I'm using CC#38 to initiate "record". The first time I (foot) press it, the clock cycles for about 1/2 a second then goes to a blank screen, with nothing recorded. If I re-foot-trigger record, it works fine and subsequent presses reinitiate record as expected. If I clear the loop (press and hold record), the above problem starts again. Knowing this happens offers and easy fix (press record once to get past it) but it might be something I've overlooked. I've also found the mute button needs pressing twice sometimes? Your "pints owed" meter is running Oh yes, searching the LD archives for echoplex brings zero hits! |
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Post by andybutler on Dec 22, 2010 16:15:32 GMT
OK, it's now listening to the fcb1010 and doing what I expect with one small issue. I'm using CC#38 to initiate "record". The first time I (foot) press it, the clock cycles for about 1/2 a second then goes to a blank screen, with nothing recorded. If I re-foot-trigger record, it works fine and subsequent presses reinitiate record as expected. If I clear the loop (press and hold record), the above problem starts again. The only thing I know does that is a long press of Record. ...but there's no reason why it would only happen on a first press like that, as it takes you back into the "Reset" blank slate state. So. only thing I can suggest is make sure you don't keep your foot too long on the button (<400mS). Otherwise the fcb is misbehaving, not sending note-off fast enough. I've also found the mute button needs pressing twice sometimes? Again that's either an fcb fault, or a long press (which will UnMute when you release the switch) Oh yes, searching the LD archives for echoplex brings zero hits! LD archives don't work, but still turn up on Google. If you use Google advanced search just on www.loopersdelight.com, or type "EDP site:www.loopersdelight.com" as a search term. |
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Post by nick robinson on Dec 22, 2010 18:06:31 GMT
well, I switched to sending "note" values instead of CC and the problems have vanished. Back to the manual for the next exciting instalment - I wonder if Stephen Fry could read the manual onto a CD for commercial release? I'm finding myself addicted to reverse - have missed it for so many years on the jamman |
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Post by andybutler on Dec 22, 2010 21:01:49 GMT
Right,
I didn't notice you used CC.
the fcb1010 won't send CC with value 0 when the switch is released, so Note on is the only viable option.
Glad you're up and runnning.
It's worth mentioning any EDP params that you changed (after the factory reset) if you get any more problems.
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Post by nick robinson on Dec 23, 2010 17:21:49 GMT
It's worth mentioning any EDP params that you changed (after the factory reset) if you get any more problems. Will do. Am I right in thinking a midi pedal is the only practical way to access the extra features (reverse) etc in a live situation? Regarding presets, do you use those to reconfigure the edp for different approaches? I've set the nextloop to match the tempo of the first, but I can see times when I'd want to change that. Should I just save different presets? I can't get "windowing" to work, I must have altered a parameter too many |
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Post by Stephen Scott on Dec 24, 2010 16:17:08 GMT
Am I right in thinking a midi pedal is the only practical way to access the extra features (reverse) etc in a live situation?Well, some things can be quickly changed from the front panel. Eg, pressing 'Parameters' followed by 'Undo' will put you into reverse. So, it would be possible, for instance, to set the insert footswitch / button to go to Halfspeed, then use the above method to go to reverse. But doing this, you won't be able to use the the insert button for substitute or replace functions that we all luv so much. I can't get "windowing" to work, I must have altered a parameter too many As for loop windowing, you need to use multiply to create a loop of multiple cycles, then press multiply again, to take it back to just one multiple. Each subsequent press of undo will then shift the window.
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Post by nick robinson on Dec 25, 2010 12:57:10 GMT
I can loop copy time or sound, but can one do both? When I do nextloop, it copies the audio, but keeps on recording...
one fix is to press record as soon as loop 2 has begun, but I just wondered...
>As for loop windowing, you need to use multiply to create a loop of multiple cycles, then press multiply again, to take it back to just one multiple. Each subsequent press of undo will then shift the window.
Just doesn't work - each time I press multiply, it just adds more multiples. Are there specific setting which need to be enabled for this to work? I may have "tweaked". Well, let's face it, I *have* been tweaking like a good 'un..
I must get down to Norwich soon!
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Post by andybutler on Dec 25, 2010 14:43:15 GMT
I can loop copy time or sound, but can one do both? When I do nextloop, it copies the audio, but keeps on recording... You're copying the Cycle length, not the loop length. So you do need to end the copy yourself to set the Loop length (which is a multiple of cycles). If you're into copying loops then it's much more flexible to set loopCopy=OFF then use SwitchQuant=CnF. Once you've done that, NextLoop will select your destination loop (multiple presses to scroll through, longpress to select loop1) but won't perform an action till you hit Undo ...go to loop Multiply ...copy audio Insert ...copy time Rec ...record new loop Overdub ...got to loop and toggle Overdub Mute ...goto loop and Mute it As for loop windowing, you need to use multiply to create a loop of multiple cycles, then press multiply again, to take it back to just one multiple. Each subsequent press of undo will then shift the window. Just doesn't work - each time I press multiply, it just adds more multiples. Are there specific setting which need to be enabled for this to work? I may have "tweaked". Well, let's face it, I *have* been tweaking like a good 'un.. You actually have to finish the second Multiply before loop windowing makes sense in the way that Stephen describes. i.e. hit Mult, wait (or play) for a few cycles hit Mult again to end it. *then* do a few overdubs... *then* hit Mult twice to go back to one Cycle *now* hitting undo gives you the classic (but not only) use of loop windowing. I must get down to Norwich soon! or it's time for the Great 2011 Northern Loopfest. |
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Post by nick robinson on Dec 26, 2010 11:52:12 GMT
>If you're into copying loops then it's much more flexible to set loopCopy=OFF then use SwitchQuant=CnF.
that looks a real time saver.
> hit Mult, wait (or play) for a few cycles hit Mult again to end it.
>*then* do a few overdubs...
aha, I hadn't being overdubbing. It makes sense now. Can you "redo" as well as "undo"? Going to half or reverse seems to end the windowing until you repeat the process?
> it's time for the Great 2011 Northern Loopfest.
Memo to self: get your sh*t together on this one!
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Post by andybutler on Dec 26, 2010 15:50:34 GMT
Can you "redo" as well as "undo"? no, you can simulate that by copying to another loop Going to half or reverse seems to end the windowing until you repeat the process? Reverse cancels anything you did to build up windowable loopage. HalfSpeed is 100% immune from that problem. One thing that might be useful is that slipping however briefly into Reverse puts any previous efforts beyond reach of windowing... which might be handy in some circumstances |
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Post by nick robinson on Dec 27, 2010 12:24:26 GMT
NextLoop will select your destination loop but won't perform an action till you hit Undo ...go to loop Trying this - it is indeed more flexible (just need to develop my tap-dancing skills) but it jumps immediately to the loop - I've set quantise to loop - should it not wait until the end of the loop b4 switching? I realise the potential of immediate actions, but I'm approaching it to begin with based on fixed length loops, so I can teach it to play some led zeppelin |
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Post by andybutler on Jan 8, 2011 12:55:32 GMT
NextLoop will select your destination loop but won't perform an action till you hit Undo ...go to loop Trying this - it is indeed more flexible (just need to develop my tap-dancing skills) but it jumps immediately to the loop - I've set quantise to loop - should it not wait until the end of the loop b4 switching? The whole SwitchQuant thing is unaffected by the Quantise setting, it has it's own set of values ...look 'em up under "SwitchQuant", there's too much info to summarise it here. |
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